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  • Northwest Institute for Bioregional Research
    maintaining its value It s not the case for Western Canadian heavy crude oil which can only be processed for optimal value in a limited number of refineries Ms Chahley wondered why more upgraders were not being built in Alberta Dr York said that at the current price of SCO and the high capital costs of new upgraders they are not commercially viable Heavy crude fetches its highest value in the limited number of refineries that have the capability of processing it for optimal value But once that capacity in those refineries is fully utilized heavy crude loses some of its value and the netback for heavy crude drops by 8 According to Dr York this 8 discount can be avoided by the Northern Gateway but for only one year its first year After that increases in supply will overwhelm the effect of Northern Gateway and the volume of heavy crude will trigger the discount And things will be back to where they were The first person to question the Haisla Nation s panel of Matthias Ruth and Rebecca Gasper was Bernard Roth from Northern Gateway Pipelines Mr Roth began by questioning the qualifications of the witnesses though Dr Ruth a specialist in ecological economics has degrees in geography and economics and is a professor in engineering and public policy The interesting information to come out of Mr Roth s questioning was actually about the Pacific Trails natural gas pipeline PTP and Kitimat LNG rather than Northern Gateway Routes for the two pipelines are very close together in much of their western right of way Crossing Hunter Creek PTP is cutting into the stream bed in an open cut to lay the pipeline whereas NGP will be drilling under the stream Mr Roth also filed an aid to questioning about

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  • Northwest Institute for Bioregional Research
    Mr Robinson said he was moving on The Chairperson replied The Panel is glad you are prepared to move on Mr Robinson obtained agreement from Harold York author of the Wood Mackenzie netbacks report for the Alberta Government that the economic benefits of a West Coast pipeline are the same whether it s Northern Gateway or a Trans Mountain expansion The rest of the day belonged to Leanne Chahley counsel for the Alberta Federation of Labour and Dr York Much of their discussion was about the meaning of the Wood Mackenzie report So much so that at the end of the day the Chairperson advised Ms Chahley We would encourage you to be able to frame your question in a way that tests the evidence as opposed to revisiting the content of the report Ms Chahley did obtain insights into Dr York s report For example the benefits of the Gateway project would be to stop the discounting of Alberta oil by 8 a barrel an effect created by insufficient pipeline capacity from Alberta to the Gulf of Mexico it s between two and three years Northern Gateway does not solve the problem forever He also said that the effect of Northern Gateway could also be achieved by opening up pipeline capacity from Alberta to the Gulf If you build enough capacity he said you could stay at the PADD III Gulf of Mexico netback for the entire time horizon Ms Chahley s questioning worked toward the discovery that a marginal 337 000 barrels per day would control pricing at the threshold which would trigger the price discount of 8 per barrel Producers or government could tune production to avoid the discount Dr York s response was that the policy would have to know how much volume shouldn t be

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    between Enbridge and potential shippers to the signing of precedent agreements Who was present Mostly one on one Was Enbridge open to more or fewer than 10 units for funding participants No though it facilitated discussion with other interested parties if someone wanted to sell part of their unit The Coalition of Forest Ethics Advocacy Raincoast Conservation Foundation and Living Oceans Society put up a witness panel David Hughes an energy analyst and Nathan Lemphers from the Pembina Foundation Both witnesses had their credentials questioned and neither was accorded full expert recognition Questioning from Northern Gateway CAPP and Cenovus et al was not friendly For example Richard Neufeld for Northern Gateway characterized some of Mr Hughes charts based on CAPP data as appearing to attribute things to CAPP that CAPP did not say Later in questions about a campaign to impede oil sands development in which Pembina Institute and Forest Ethics are both involved Mr Neufeld seized on some strategic activities that are part of that campaign including mobilizing the public in the Northern Gateway hearing Mob the Mic Mr Neufeld called it before he was called on it by Barry Robinson the Coalition s lawyer Referring to the large

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  • Northwest Institute for Bioregional Research
    and operation costs have essentially priced Alberta out of the market in terms of upgrading and refining and that NGP would exacerbate that problem To underscore his point Mr McGowan referred to a Raymond James report which found that basically every project that has been developed since 2008 has been at least 100 percent over budget and in some cases as much as 260 percent over budget Raymond James conclusion was that there were simply too many projects going on at the same time Mr McGowan said the AFL agrees with former Premier Peter Lougheed that we should set a more reasonable pace for development in the oil sands Ms Allan stated that the expansion potential of NGP should be part of the consideration of this review She said that the oil pipeline can go from 525 000 barrels a day to 850 000 barrels a day And the condensate pipeline can go from 193 000 barrels a day to 274 000 barrels a day with only the addition of pumping stations and pumps If you re going to expand 60 percent in pipeline and 40 percent in condensate you actually increase tanker traffic by over 50 percent and you also increase the amount of activity in the marine terminal Risk is not additive it s exponential she said Joint Review Panel member Kenneth Bateman asked Ms Allan about the value of a parental guarantee the idea that Enbridge will backstop or guarantee all the costs of a major spill Ms Allan replied that Enbridge won t entertain that Mr Bateman replied It s not the Applicant who makes these decisions In questioning the witness panel put up by five shippers on the NGP Leanne Chahley counsel for the Alberta Federation of Labour exposed a concern for oil sands producers

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    cost benefit analysis He replied that cost benefit studies stopped being required by the NEB when it shifted to a market based regulatory regime in the 1990s Mr Priddle who was Chairman of the NEB at the time and introduced market based regulation said It has been the Board s practice to consider that the presence of completed firm service agreements is the central indication of need for a particular facility Questioning of NGP s panel ended and the Alberta Federation of Labour AFL brought out its witness panel consisting of Gil McGowan President of the AFL and Robyn Allan an economist and insurance expert Keith Bergner representing the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers was first to question the AFL He stated that he was not going to question Ms Allan He began a series of questions which Mr McGowan used to explain the position of the AFL The problem as stated by Mr McGowan is that exporting raw bitumen is exporting jobs that could be created in Alberta upgrading and refining the bitumen Building the NGP will undermine the chances of building upgraders Sheila Leggett the Chairperson of the Joint Review Panel reprimanded Mr McGowan a number of times

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  • Northwest Institute for Bioregional Research
    more than 767 million or 38 000 per barrel of oil She contrasted that to the 14 000 per barrel the cost of a large spill used in the Northern Gateway cost benefit analysis Ms Gaertner confirmed that Northern Gateway had not considered at all the social cost of conflict nor the cost of that conflict on the public interest in its cost benefit analysis Northern Gateway s Dr Ruitenbeek replied That s 100 percent correct Mr Roth for Northern Gateway promptly objected saying that when David Cutts of the Veterans of Clayoquot spoke in Comox you shut him down and I suggest you shut down this line of questioning now In his oral statement on March 30 Mr Cutts said to the Panel If this project proceeds there s going to be such a backlash from the citizenry that I m very much afraid what I saw at Clayoquot with 859 arrestees is going to be a drop in the bucket Mr Cutts continued You are part of a process that may result in huge numbers of people being arrested and jailed under criminal contempt of court such as I was Sheila Leggett the Chairperson of the Joint Review

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    outset that he has learned that corporations love their families and generally are good people But I think it s been a long time since all of us realized that it s nice guys that are also destroying this world He expressed concern about the domestic effects of the price uplift describing as an example what happens to the availability and price of crabs in Vancouver when Asian demand escalates Why would a crab fisherman send crabs to Granville Island when they ll get more overseas Guujaaw had a question for Roland Priddle Mr Priddle I was kind of surprised to see you sitting over there with your raging endorsement and statement in your presentation that said this is in the national interest Is that your opinion Mr Priddle replied that it was his opinion John Carruthers of Northern Gateway said that 60 percent of Aboriginal communities had signed up for equity in the project but they had not provided a list of First Nations Guujaaw s response was You re making a pretty big claim there without anything to substantiate it and we ve asked you for a long time to tell us who is agreeing with this On

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    outstanding costs that are not previously covered by insurance or through other mechanisms No direct answer to that question was given but it emerged that a recent decision had been made to insure NGP on a standalone basis rather than under Enbridge s corporate insurance program One reason according to John Carruthers President of NGP was that in the event an incident happened within the broader Enbridge company there may not be funds available for Northern Gateway The other questioner for the day was Brenda Gaertner representing the Coastal First Nations CFN which she described as an alliance of the First Nations of British Columbia s North and Central Coast and Haida Gwaii She was accompanied by Guujaaw Terri Lynn Williams Davidson Art Sterritt Ms Gaertner went straight to her first point the First Nations she represents govern their territories according to their own laws customs and traditions They have never ceded the territories and neither the federal nor provincial governments have exclusive jurisdiction to decide whether this project will proceed In questioning the previous day one of NGP s witnesses stated that they could not evaluate environmental costs related to salmon because they had not been provided the necessary

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